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Update from the Dublin, Ireland self-inquiry group:
We meet every second Wednesday on Zoom. We are working using two different approaches. The first is the standard confrontation approach of people giving an update on what was coming for them in the previous period, in terms of their path. The second is the distribution of a piece in advance for reflection. In the last meeting, the Bob Cergol talk from the November 2020 TAT Meeting was shared with participants in advance, along with a few questions to reflect and respond on in the meeting. Then we proceeded with confrontation based on the response. We will continue in this vein for the time being, using either a general update or a piece for reflection shared in advance. ~ Contact for more information.

Update from the Dulverton, South West England self-inquiry group:
‘We continue to stay in touch but meetings have been suspended for the time being due to a second lockdown. We have a quorum of three and two other interested in joining when guidelines permit. ~ Please contact for more information.

Update from the Gainesville, FL self-inquiry group:
Our meetings at the Alachua County library on alternate Sundays are still suspended while the library remains closed. In the meantime, the regular participants are saying hello to each other via email every Sunday, sharing whatever is on our minds. ~ Email or for more information.

   TAT Press publishes three of Art's books: Solid Ground of Being: A Personal Story of the Impersonal, Beyond Relativity: Transcending the Split Between Knower & Known and Sense of Self: The Source of All Existential Suffering?

Update from Galway, Ireland:
Tess Hughes is currently working with seekers one-to-one and holding occasional group self-inquiry retreats. Anyone who's interested in self-inquiry activity in Ireland is welcome to contact .

   TAT Press publishes Tess's easy to read, profound This Above All, the story of her journey of Self-Discovery.

Update from the Greensburg, PA self-inquiry group:
I am meeting every Saturday morning with three of my former Greensburg SIG group participants who are into non-dualist paths, such as Adyashanti and Mooji. There is also another participant, a professional psychologist who is interested in eastern philosphy and who wasn't in my SIG group but makes a great addition to our proceedings. These fellows are sincere seekers. We spend our time discussing our respective paths and comparing notes. Our new venue is a place called the White Rabbit Cafe in Greensburg. I'm hoping that the lull here has ended and that we're ready to be more dynamic again. ~ Contact if interested in local self-inquiry meetings.

An update from the self-inquiry group in Houston, TX:
The backyard patio meetings are now moved to Zoom meetings, which take place at 4 pm on Saturdays. There are 3 active and inspired participants right now. Topics vary from Mr. Rose's writings to "What is on your mind?" ~ Contact for more information.

"Ignoramuses Anonymous" blog
Ignoramuses Anonymous is for seekers to explore questions together…a fellowship of seekers for whom ignorance of the absolute truth had become a major problem. It started as a blog for Pittsburgh PSI meeting members back in 2009. Welcoming discussion on the path.
To get notices of new posts, you can subscribe by RSS feed or by email.

   See the 2020/11/28 post: Four-day isolation retreat at TAT Center, with photos and YouTube clips.

Update from the Lynchburg, VA self-inquiry group:
We have been meeting on Thursday evenings from 7pm - 8:30pm, online, via zoom. Norio Kushi, Paul Rezendes, and Bob Harwood are consistent guests. We've also had some other interesting characters show up from time to time. Topics come from readings or questions brought up by our members. These are sent out, along with the zoom invitation each week. Recently we posted some "considerations" for joining our group:
** Try to frame your comments as questions to Norio, Paul, or Bob. Draw these questions from you own experience rather than generalities. Maintain attention and discussion on the question rather than philosophical musings.
** Question other participants, in the spirit of group-assisted self inquiry, but without attempting to lead them to any particular conclusion or bring attention to yourself.
**Allow for and attend to the silence and the space that is always present. When you aren't speaking, see that as your role - to hold that space.
**Question, in yourself, the use of personal story-telling and quoting others - though sometimes both are helpful and appropriate.
**Consider the way in which you are listening. Does it have a quality of acquisitiveness or openness?
**Continue to question your own intention for coming to this meeting and let that guide any comments/questions/discussion.
~ Please contact or if you're interested in being on the email list.

Update from the New York City self-inquiry group:
The New York City Self-Inquiry group meets by conference call line (no video) every Monday from 6-8 PM EST. The phone number is (425)436-6381 and the passcode is 889361#. More details, as well as our weekly discussion topics, are available on our MeetUp page (link above) and via email at .

Update for the Online Self-Inquiry Book Club:
This online Self-Inquiry Book Club meets Sunday afternoons. Our book for February is The Zen Experience by Thomas Hoover (pdf; Kindle). ~ For more information on book club participation, see the meeting website (link above).

Update from the recently listed Online Video Confrontation Group:
The Monday Night Online Confrontation Group is going strong with a core group of participants and room for a few more. Now meeting at 7:30 pm EST (previously at 7 pm), using the online video conference platform from "Jitsi.org" which works best with the Chrome browser. The goal of the group is to practice confrontation/group self-inquiry. ~ If you're interested, email or .

Update from the Portland, OR self-inquiry group:
A small group of us meet most Sundays at a coffee shop. The format for our meetings is to give each person 20 minutes or so to talk about whatever is coming up for them in their practice and to answer questions from the others. ~ Email for more information.

Update from the Raleigh, NC Triangle Inquiry Group:
The group is starting up again after a hiatus, now with Zoom online meetings. ~ Email for details.

Update for the Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill area TAT Center:
The new TAT Center in Hurdle Mills, NC recently hosted its first event: an open house for folks in the Raleigh and Lynchburg areas. With the successful opening of the center, teacher-in-residence Bob Fergeson and caretaker Mark Wintgens are looking forward to hosting retreats and meetings for local group members as well as all TAT seekers. ~ Email for information about future meetings and events.

   TAT Press publishes Bob's gateway to within, The Listening Attention, as well as Images of Essence: The Standing Now, which features poems by Shawn Nevins accompanied by Bob's photos.

Update from the Richmond Self Inquiry Group:
There isn't a Richmond self inquiry group at the moment…it never really got off the ground. I'm considering a few different approaches for round three, but it'll be at least a few months away before that takes form. ~ Email for information about future meetings and events.

Update from the San Francisco Bay area self-inquiry group:
See the Shawn Nevins interview by Iain McNay of Conscious.tv, kicking off the publication of Shawn's book Subtraction: The Simple Math of Enlightenment. ~ Email for information about upcoming meetings and events.

   TAT Press publishes Shawn's Images of Essence: The Standing Now, which features his poems with photos by Bob Fergeson, The Celibate Seeker: An Exploration of Celibacy as a Modern Spiritual Practice, Subtraction: The Simple Math of Enlightenment, and Hydroglyphics: Reflections on the Sacred, which features his poems with photos by Phaedra Greenwood.

Update from the Washington DC Area Self-Inquiry Discussion Group:
[This group was previously listed as the Rockville, MD self-inquiry group.] We've been meeting monthly at Rockville, MD Memorial Library. While the library is closed for public health reasons, we're participating more in a weekly online book club. Forum readers are welcome to participate. ~ For more information, please email or see the website http://firstknowthyself.org/virtual/.

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TAT's August 2019 Workshop was titled Beyond Mindfulness: Meditation and the Path Within and included three guest speakers who each led separate workshops. The following audio recordings are now available in the members-only website area:

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The Reader Commentary question for the March TAT Forum is:

How can a seeker who is questioning their beliefs and “doubting everything” sincerely pray?

Thanks to Brett S. for the question. Responses follow:

From Tess Hughes:
I wonder what the questioner's idea of prayer is? And beliefs?
I'm guessing (and of course, I may have this totally wrong) but that belief is about rationality and the ability to articulate a mental idea and that prayer is about ritual and begging founded on irrational beliefs, maybe even superstition.
The fact that one is a seeker assumes a belief in the possibility of some kind of resolution to one's perceived problems. You might not be able to rationalise this seeking or convince others of its value but for you it is something that you cannot give up. At least not easily. What a gift it is to find others who are equally driven by this irrational drive to heal their human condition, even as they fail to be able to articulate it.
Various tools have been developed over the millennia to address this human condition. One tool is questioning everything. It's called self-inquiry. It assumes that the problem is in the mind.
Another tool is prayer, it assumes that we are cut off from something that is essential for our happiness.
So, prayer is about trying to make a direct connection with that something.

“Prayer is an invocation or act that seeks to activate a rapport with an object of worship through deliberate communication”. - Wikipedia

Self-inquiry focuses on the mind. Prayer focuses on feelings.
They are not at odds with each other. It's like using a hammer and a drill to bore a hole through a wall, both have their advantages and disadvantages.
The other tool, meditation, is about clearing the space for the prayer and self-inquiry to proceed effectively, unhindered by the issues of daily life. Well, that's my very broad take on it.
Different traditions emphasise different aspects and tools, depending on the mythology they use as a means of communicating something about this universal human condition. No mythology has the full “story”. It couldn't. Mythologies are generalised ways of thinking about the human condition.
Christianity emphasises feeling over thinking. Eastern traditions emphasise thinking.
The thing is, for you, personally and specifically to find ways to think about and interpret and understand your particular condition. Becoming yourSelf is a particular, specific example of the general. So, we have to learn how to apply the general teachings to our particular selves. This means learning to trust yourself and to have the courage to take yourself seriously. It also means becoming discerning about what works for you.
And, since we live in an age where we have access to all the world mythologies and tools, we can pick and choose the ones that work for us personally. We can try out different ones and test for how effective they are for us.

*

TAT Press publishes Tess's This Above All: A Journey of Self-Discovery. You can contact Tess by .

From Richard G:
The answer is found in the question. If one is “doubting everything” or every “thing” there cannot be any sincerity in praying. For example, how can sincerity be instantiated if the individual doubts their mind's existence, doubts whether they are honest, doubts the purpose or reason of prayer, and doubts the object of prayer?

I think a “doubting everything” or questioning person can pray intensively or emotionally for things or occurrences, e.g., money, removal of illness, enlightenment, bringing back their loved one, or to revere a deity but not sincerely. One cannot be sincere if they know or believe what they are praying about or praying to is an ephemeral, transitory thing. The doubting of an object of prayer and/or one's identity (sense of I-ness) modifies the perspective and hence beliefs and affect. The doubting modifies sincerity (IMHO).

I reviewed the Realizations of various spiritual “heavyweights” at the www.searchwithin.org website. Some of the writers had expressed various doubts, for example one mentioned that they did not know whether they would wake up or not. Once the Awakening occurred, however, there were no doubts or at least I haven't read or found them. In other words, with Realization or Awakening, doubts are gone, no subject, no objects, and no things. Others may have questioned the veracity of the claims of those who talk about their Realization or Awakening but not the authors of theses narratives. Once the “I-thought” is neutralized, Realization follows....

See Richard's complete response.

From No One:
I'll start by saying that the premise of the question implies that prayer and questioning one's beliefs are at odds with one another, which may be another belief :)

This is a tough one because many things in life can become beliefs (with an agenda/profit motive) without one even realizing it, even the belief that one should be questioning or "doubting everything" in order to attain some end state. So any prescriptive advice here would just create another belief structure or an object/agenda for a seeker. So maybe my first answer to this is to relax! Relax into whatever your current experience is - breathing, heart beating, feelings of frustration with seeking, thoughts of wanting to already 'achieve enlightenment,' etc. Capital T This is all there is. There is nothing outside of that (and phrased differently there is No-Thing outside of that).

Some fun prayers to pray (that wouldn't violate a questioning of beliefs) might be the following [my asides are in brackets, ignore them if they sound like nonsense]:

1. "Dear God/Me/Awareness/Truth/Absolute/Void/Tao, how is my current experience illusion?" [you will have to see what in your experience is Unreal before you can accept that things/thoughts/etc. are both Real and Unreal as they constantly manifest from/in/as You]
2. Some favorites taken from Bart Marshall (all credit to him): "What the heck is going on here?" or "Whatever stands between me and Truth, please take it from me." [including any beliefs, misplaced attention, etc.]
3. Pick up a random object in your house and address it as your God. Pray to it, and ask, "how is this [fill-in-the-blank] also Me?"
4. A favorite taken from Anita Avent (all credit to her): "I am willing to be willing to let go." [an attempt at surrender, which sadly, cannot be gamed or artificially created but can be intended]
5. "Thank You for [whatever your current experience is]. I give up trying to look for anything outside my sights, sounds, smells, sensations, thoughts, and emotions." [same as the above]

From William R:

This is really two questions: 1) How do I pray? 2) To whom or what do I pray?

To pray sincerely, you need only know that your intention is sincere. This is not complicated: you look at your emotions and thoughts in this moment, and you simply be honest with yourself. Perhaps you want to pray for insight or understanding, perhaps you offer a prayer of thanksgiving, perhaps you ask for inspiration or accomplishment, perhaps you ask for blessings for another … but always intending from the place of, “This is true at this moment.” What you know is true at this moment is always the beginning place. Don't over-think it.

As to whom or what, realize that you are a component of the singular mystery of being. Until you know The Absolute, the source of all existence is a mystery, the organizational principle that gives structure and form to the field of information that is being-ness is a mystery, the imperative of life – of animation and self-replication - is a mystery, and the origin and nature of self-awareness is a mystery. You can always pray to The Absolute, or The Source, or The Mystery, and know that what you are doing is reaching out to The Greater, that which is All, even if The All remains a mystery.

And then, having formed your intention and having made a sincere gesture, let go, for you do not control the results.

From Ike H (ikeh):
When you get truly desperate, you will pray. Someone who perceives him- or herself to be in grave danger will cry out, “Help!” It is pride, not doubts, that prevents us from praying. Another thing that prevents us is a cynical and fearful belief that there is nothing that hears us when we pray. A belief that we are a self-powered entity solely in charge of the whole show. But prayer is not just petition. Christians count ACTS (adoration, confession, thanksgiving, and supplication) as praying. I know a man, a former atheist, who, overflowing with joy, began praying prayers of thankfulness when he found himself head over heels in love with a woman. My questions to you: How do you define praying? Why do you want to pray? And what exactly prevents you from praying? Do you know you are in trouble?

From Chris L:
My Grandfather was a Lutheran minister, and my first memories were of living with my grandparents in the castle-like church parsonage that their church provided for them. The church itself was a playground for my brother and me. I remember the stained-glass windows in the sanctuary and pictures of Jesus hanging in the home and all over church. They told us kids that Jesus loved us and looked over us, but I didn't really get it. My grandfather had a hologram picture of Jesus praying next to a rock in his office where the light from heaven shined on him, and it used to fascinate me. That's always how I pictured praying.

*sad story alert*

In later years, into boyhood, my life became very painful from a dark and traumatic home-life that I had no control over. Very quickly the version of faith that I was taught, that I was loved and protected, even by my family, seemed to be a lie. I started to notice that everyone seemed to be acting. Most people hold themselves to believe that they would intervene if they were to witness a child hurting … I noticed it just made people very uncomfortable … and the tendency was to pretend nothing was wrong. I realized I knew nothing, and that stayed with me. I didn't know my family like I thought, and I couldn't understand why anything happened. Years later, I fell into drinking and the confusion and frustration … and the pain multiplied. At 29, I found my way out of that horrible mess, and it was like hitting a patch of clear air after a life of turbulence ... but still not knowing where I was going. Thing is, all I knew for sure was that I was very confused. It was like an unbelievable, long-awaited sigh of relief … followed promptly by, “What now?”

Well I started noticing that, although I had no clue what to do with myself, an opportunity would show up at very pivotal times … as if life was just saying, in a very loud and obvious way, “Here, do this.” I can't tell you how mind-blowing this phenomenon became to me. Just out-of-the-blue opportunities. It became so unpredictably reliable (reliably unpredictable?) that my new life began to take its shape from these strange gifts of circumstance. In retrospect, 7 years later, it is what provided everything. I noticed eventually, because of the insistence of the recovery community to pray, that the only prayer I could “sincerely” muster was something like (to whatever is listening), “Look, I'm lost, but if you make the next move obvious, I'll do it … but please make it known.” I've come to rely on this principle, this prayer, although I'm not sure I ever really do it gracefully … because it kind of demands that I get out of my own way. It led me to finding TAT. It led me to the only belief that I consciously cling to, which is that there is truth … and it can be found.

From Tina N:
I had some difficulty responding to the question because it seemed to breed more questions :)

Q: How can a seeker who is questioning their beliefs and “doubting everything” sincerely pray?
The first thought that came upon reading the question is, "Why not?"
Doubt to me is a microscope that reveals what is put under its view.
What can doubt reveal about sincerity, and prayer?

Also, it struck me that there can be a sweet sincerity in doubting everything. Can doubting everything be a sincere way to pray?

From Art Ticknor:
Existential angst rests on not knowing anything for sure. We can assign probabilities to our interpretations/beliefs/conclusions—the sun will "come up" tomorrow: 99%; I'll die: 98%; I'm omniscient: 1%, and so on—but they're all iffy.

Questioning our beliefs and doubting everything (other than our ability to doubt, as Richard Rose would put it) is a reasonable way to live our lives pursuing Truth/Reality/Certainty.

Praying implies the possible existence of a higher power that we may have a relationship with and be able to communicate with. It doesn't require knowing anything for sure. Chances are we wouldn't do it unless our fears and desires prompted it, our logic told us it was a way to cover our bases in case such a higher power exists, or our intuition influenced us in that direction.

I remember one time telling my friend Bob Fergeson that I only felt I could pray honestly when I felt I was backed into a corner. Bob replied: Aren't you always backed into a corner?

From Sarah J:
A few days ago I began answering this question. I had a foundation. Now I have come back to finish writing and those words have vanished. But it seems irrelevant because in exploring this question I have found a painful and seemingly impossible barrier in this path: I don't trust that God cares about this particular manifestation – “me”, “my life”, “my” experience.

This is one reason this ego, small self, (or whatever it's called) continues to cling. It doesn't trust that if it lets go there will be anything looking out for “me” in what seems to be the crazy and often cruel charade of being human. Surrendering control doesn't make the charade go away. I fear it leaves “me” without an actively engaged defender. At the same time, I long to give up this painful narrowing of focus and perspective.

This isn't what I intended to write. It doesn't make sense. I've said it in prayer in a hundred different pleas and sometimes, ferocious arguments, but somehow I couldn't see what I was saying. This is why I pray, to find truths hidden within the veils I use to hide from myself. I wish for connection, for reassurance, but I come away with difficult understandings.

One of the difficult understandings is “we're not ever separate”. What does that even mean in this context? And why won't ‘we' help?

I'm done with playing it safe so I'll leave this with all its confusion, with no conclusion. I realise the outlandish arrogance it speaks of—an egoic mirage, but one that tells a truth of woundedness and fearfulness.

From Rob H
We begin life with our parents and caregivers being outside authorities. And we often transfer that authority to school teachers and maybe to religious leaders. Those early authorities may teach us to ask an ultimate authority--an all-knowing and all-powerful god hovering above us--for guidance and help. "Now I lay me down to sleep...."

When we mature to the stage of doubting in such an ultimate authority, can we continue to pray sincerely? We may try to do so "just in case," or we may feel that we're connected to something bigger than this earthly self. Doubt can loosen disbeliefs as well as beliefs.

From Gus R:
My God! For someone like me who lies, cheats and steals, who's gluttonous, proud, envious, lazy, forgetful, obsessive, easily angered, covets his neighbor's wife, is mad at God: would Christ have said "Well, no, his prayers are unacceptable!"?

It seems to me that prayer, love, faith, hope, etc., are all of a different realm. Prayer seems to be like a love note, placed in a bottle and tossed, lovingly over the wall, hoping that through some part of me, the recipient will receive it. I don't know how, because I don't understand. I don't know how it works or if that direction is inward, up or down or whatever. Doubt and questioning begs understanding, but for some things, maybe doubt ends up with just not knowing.

From Dan G:
This Rumi poem comes to mind.

What I hear him saying is: at all moments I am praying. And: at all moments my prayer is heard.

From Anima Pundeer:
Sincere prayer originates in humility. I don't have a shade of doubt in my mind that it ALWAYS get answered. It is direct communication with your higher Self, God. Without any pretense. Life provides us with ample opportunities when we are brought to our knees, prayer comes directly from our heart.

I remember thinking 'who am I praying to?' I was questioning and doubting what my idea of God was. Who am I praying to if god is not separate from me? Then it occurred to me that the problem does not lie in if there is God, or higher power, but the problem lay in this separate entity Anima. I was the one who was a separate suffering entity.

I had to question and doubt who I was. It was my identity, belief in who I was, that needed to be scrutinized.

No matter what was going on, I have found myself communicating with whosoever I thought would be listening. Most of the time my prayers came out as complaints.

From Patrick K:
This is a question that comes up for me regularly. One thing I do know is that prayer doesn't belong in the thinking mind. It has to come from feeling, a feeling that is longing maybe. I long to pray more sincerely myself. I get afraid because there are times that it strikes me how little I am, how helpless, so much like a pawn or a puppet being moved around the board at the behest of forces not in my control. Why am “I” so adhered to control? Because if I was to be really honest with myself, what awaits me down the track are health complications and my eventual death, and like the spooky title of a Stephen King novella, Everything's Eventual.

Art Ticknor suggested a good way of praying, from the instincts to a higher self. That feels right to me. And do I feel a connection to a higher self? It's debatable. It ends up like praying to a concept. But maybe that doesn't matter, and the fact it ends up feeling like I am praying to a concept probably means the thinking mind is back interfering. Feeling from the heart, engaging the longing, whilst looking at the instincts/nerves/reactions, praying for more clarity, to shine a light on me so I may become one with my Higher self and transcend identification with the mundane self, the separated-me sense.

Other Reader Feedback

From Don A:

In the February issue, I hope no one missed a beautiful account of an Isolation Retreat in the Local Group News / Ignoramuses Anonymous blog link to the article on a four-day isolation retreat at TAT Center.

What better way to spend your stimulus check than for getting away from all stimulus. And the article captured that sense, for me, perfectly. No exciting accounts of wrestling with bears, or raccoons, or hail storms and snow while trying to survive by only tent and outdoor wits. No, because once settled in, he was settled in, and the images both photographically and mentally depicted that perfectly. (Hot tip: there's another stimulus check on the way. What can we do with it?)

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